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[Dementia_Madness]

Just what is ABORTION, we talk about it so casualy, yet how many of us can say we know exactly what an abortion really is and what is involved.

http://www.fwhc.org/abortion/ab-procedures.htm

   

    

Types of Abortion Procedures

During an abortion, the pregnancy is removed from the uterus. The options vary depending upon upon the stage of pregnancy. During the appointment, clinic staff will explain the procedure, risks, medications, options, and what to expect afterward.

Note: weeks are measured since last menstrual period (LMP).

Medical Abortion (also called Mifepristone, Misoprostol, RU486, Non-surgical Abortion, the Abortion Pill, or Medication Abortion):
The Abortion Pill is an option up to 8 weeks LMP. Prescription Mifepristone is taken in pill form at the clinic. It causes the end of the pregnancy. Then 24-72 hours later, the woman uses Misoprostol to cause the uterus to contract and expel the tissue. A follow-up appointment is required to make sure the abortion is complete. Occasionally more than one follow-up appointment is necessary. To use this method, women must live within 2 hours of a hospital. Some women prefer Medical Abortion because the process feels more natural and private; they can decide where they are when they go through the experience, such as staying home for the weekend. Side effects of the second medication include cramping, bleeding, diarrhea, nausea, etc.

Vacuum Aspiration:
In the first trimester, usually 6 to 13 weeks, vacuum aspiration is the procedure used to empty the uterus. This traditional first trimester abortion involves three main steps: (1) an injection to numb the cervix, (2) insertion of a soft flexible tube through the cervix into the uterus, (3) suction created by an aspirating machine to remove the pregnancy from the uterus. It is done in an outpatient clinic, doctor's office or hospital and takes less than five minutes to complete the actual procedure.

IPAS Syringe - Early Abortion with Manual Vacuum Aspiration (MVA):
As soon as the pregnancy can be detected by ultrasound (typically 4-5 weeks), an abortion can be performed using a manual aspiration device called the IPAS Syringe. Similar to the suction aspiration procedure, the IPAS system consists of thin flexible tubing, but instead of using a machine to create suction, the suction is created by a handheld syringe. The procedure usually takes less than 5 minutes to complete. Aftercare is the same as with suction aspiration. Availability of this procedure is based upon doctor's discretion. Abortion by syringe is sometimes referred to as the quiet abortion.

D & E (Dilate and Evacuate):
From 13 to 24 weeks, Cedar River Clinics use the Dilation and Evacuation (D&E) procedure. Appointments are made for 2-3 consecutive days. On the first day, an ultrasound (sonogram) is performed to determine the size of the fetus. Then, the abortion procedure is begun by numbing the cervix with injections and inserting dilators into the cervix. Overnight these dilators gently expand, opening the entrance to the uterus. The next day, the cervix is again numbed, the dilators are removed, and the doctor uses special instruments to evacuate the uterus and remove the pregnancy. The final step is suction using the aspirating machine. In more advanced pregnancies, additional dilators are inserted on the second day and the fetus is removed on the third day. The medical procedure lasts about 10-15 minutes.

Everyone Against Abortion, Please Raise Your Hand!

[Flummoxed Lummox]

One is an historical writing that has been in existence since way before AD began and has never been disproven.    The other was made up in the last 60 years or so and has been proven to be wrong on numerous occasions.   

Your "beliefs" require a much larger leap of blind faith than mine.   You can't even prove your points using the rules your side made up.

Another question:  If the Bible is just a book of myths, why does the world (including scientists and atheists) use Christ's birth as the centerpiece of keeping time with years?

I don't even know where to begin. There is so much ignorance in one post it's mindboggling.



1. There are several examples of information recorded in the Bible which is, in fact, false. Not to mention the plethora of outright contradictions found throughout the Bible itself.

2. I use reason, science, and logic as a guiding post in my life. You, on the other hand, use religious mythologies from the Bronze Age created by people who had no knowledge of science and little understanding of natural phenomena as your source for understanding the origins of the world. It's comical.

3. First, not all of the world uses the life of Jesus as a marking of time. In Chinese culture it's the year 4707. The Jews (Jesus' own culture) consider it to be the year 5769. In Mayan culture it is something else. It is all arbitrary. We measure time in Western culture because of historical reasons. The fact that Christianity was the dominant religion for the past 2000 years is the reason. But the "world" has always measured time many different ways.

Keep believing the earth is less than 10,000 years old. 99.9% of the world is laughing at you. 

[Dementia_Madness]

Now Atheist, this is not supposed to be a religious debate. Since however you seem keen on focusing on that, argument nfor arguments nsake I guess we shall adress a few issues

1. There are several examples of information recorded in the Bible which is, in fact, false. Not to mention the plethora of outright contradictions found throughout the Bible itself.

It is amazing HOW MANY TIMES people make that argument, yet fail to give examples. Okay here is your chance to flesh out your statement and and give us some examples. Bear in mind however I have already covered this statement here http://spsboard.com/SPS/index.php/topic,3179.0.html

Omission does not necessarily create contradiction. Luke, for example, writes of two angels at Jesus tomb after the Resurrection.{12} Matthew mentions an angel.{13} Is this a contradiction? If Matthew stated that only one angel was present, the accounts would be dissonant. As it stands, they can be harmonized.

Differing accounts arent necessarily contradictory. Matthew and Luke, for example, differ in their accounts of Jesus birth. Luke records Joseph and Mary starting in Nazareth, traveling to Bethlehem (Jesus birthplace), and returning to Nazareth.{14} Matthew starts with Jesus birth in Bethlehem, relates the familys journey to Egypt to escape King Herods rage, and recounts their travel to Nazareth after Herods death.{15} The Gospels never claim to be exhaustive records. Biographers must be selective. The accounts seem complementary, not contradictory.

2. I use reason, science, and logic as a guiding post in my life. You, on the other hand, use religious mythologies from the Bronze Age created by people who had no knowledge of science and little understanding of natural phenomena as your source for understanding the origins of the world. It's comical.

Actually the Bible is full of scientific knowledge, much of it was not even understood until modern times. Granted there are some ancient folklore elements being a show the original source was handed down by oral traditions, still there is great medical, dietary, legal and philosophical resources on top of the spiritual and faith information.


3. First, not all of the world uses the life of Jesus as a marking of time. In Chinese culture it's the year 4707. The Jews (Jesus' own culture) consider it to be the year 5769. In Mayan culture it is something else. It is all arbitrary. We measure time in Western culture because of historical reasons. The fact that Christianity was the dominant religion for the past 2000 years is the reason. But the "world" has always measured time many different ways.

This is in truth not really of any matter, but the truth is the majority of the world, even those that hold their ancient calendars, do use the Judeo-Christian colander...We do measure our date from a specific moment and that moment is Christ. To be honest even the bible tells us that the "worlds" ways are not always God's ways, so this point really is of little spiritual and faith consequence. It's what happened those 2000 or so years ago that is of the importance.

Now if you would care to discuss religeon further there is a place for that, so why don't we try and stick to the topic at hand in the future, have a nice day.

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