Contrary to popular claims, George W. Bush has

[Dementia_Madness]

had a significant pro-abortion influence.

* By his so-called "exceptions" while in office George W. Bush directly supported killing 111,801 unborn children
* Bush opposed South Dakota's 2006 total abortion ban; because as he told ABC News he supports killing some kids
* Bush never supported Colorado's historic 2008 personhood amendment
* In 2008, South Dakota added enough exceptions to fill a school bus, yet Bush still failed to support it
* Terri Schiavo was starved by Republican judges mostly: Reagan, Bush I and Bush II "conservative" nominees
* Bush's first presidential campaign promise was 'no litmus test;' he would nominate pro-choice judges
* in 2000 in the first presidential debate, Bush declared that he would not try to overturn Roe v. Wade
* in the third 2000 debate Bush repeated his campaign promise: he would continue to appoint pro-aborts
* Bush never attempted to ban embryonic stem cell research but actually funded the grisly research
* did not lead the fight to protect unborn children, and in fact, rejects their God-given right to life
* supports the position that started the abortion holocaust: that a child could be killed if her father is a rapist
* signed misguided child-killing regulations that end with, "and then you can kill the baby"
* Bush's nominee Harriet Miers established SMU's feminist (pro-abortion) Women's Studies endowment
* Bush was thwarted from even naming outwardly pro-abortion Alberto Gonzales to the Supreme Court
* Bush kept his presidential campaign promise of 'no litmus test' by nominating many pro-choice judges
* Bush appointed pro-choice Samuel Alito who issued five radically pro-abortion rulings (upheld PBA, etc.)
* Bush appointee John Roberts worked to further the homosexual agenda and views Roe as settled law
* The Bush family women including Barbara and Laura are pro-choice and one wonders if he is ever a leader in his family, warning his loved ones of the unthinkable consequences of their support for child killing
* Bush stacked the 2004 Republican convention with only pro-abortion prime time speakers
* Promised no pro-life litmus test on personnel and surrounded himself with pro-choice Republicans
* Bush opposed some funding of abortion, abroad, etc., but has given billions of dollars to Planned Parenthood, hundreds of millions more than Bill Clinton ever did; Bush signed HHS budgets giving billions to PP, with Title X bills, authorizing tax-funded abortions explicitly for surgical abortions to kill unborn children including those whose fathers are criminals; and Bush gave Medicaid money for Plan B, the chemical abortifacient.
* Bush was an accomplice to the 15-year partial-birth abortion fiasco; though it raised a quarter of a billion dollars for the pro-life industry, the Republican ban permits other ways to commit late-term and even partial-birth abortions and provided cover for pro-abortion politicians who knew, as Dr. James Dobson wrote, that the PBA ban "does not save a single human life."
* Bush signed the Born-alive Infants Protection Act which, because it was not based on wise strategy, does not affirm the God-given right to life and has the actual effect of saving not a single child because the abortionist now kills the child sooner, and as a result, often more violently
* Governor Bush's judicial nominees gave Texas it's most pro-abortion ruling ever that parents have no say if a minor wants an abortion
* In addition to supporting the killiing of 111,801 children through funds he authorized, and aside from the killing of hundreds of thousands of other kids through the pro-abortion judges and leaders he knowingly promoted, far from being a pro-life hero, former president Bush is typical of the modern Republican hypocrisy on child killing and guilty of the mass murder of millions of innocent children.

[KNOWLEDGE]

Bush 41 and 43 did more to damage the Republican party than any other two people alive today. 

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Bush 41 and 43 did more to damage the Republican party than any other two people alive today. 

I'm not sure why you think 41 did so much damage. For the most part, I thought he was a decent President.

I could not agree more about 43. He's the single biggest reason the GOP lost the House, Senate, and Oval Office in two short years. He was, by far, the worst President in recent history.

[Flummoxed Lummox]

had a significant pro-abortion influence.

* By his so-called "exceptions" while in office George W. Bush directly supported killing 111,801 unborn children
* Bush opposed South Dakota's 2006 total abortion ban; because as he told ABC News he supports killing some kids
* Bush never supported Colorado's historic 2008 personhood amendment
* In 2008, South Dakota added enough exceptions to fill a school bus, yet Bush still failed to support it
* Terri Schiavo was starved by Republican judges mostly: Reagan, Bush I and Bush II "conservative" nominees
* Bush's first presidential campaign promise was 'no litmus test;' he would nominate pro-choice judges
* in 2000 in the first presidential debate, Bush declared that he would not try to overturn Roe v. Wade
* in the third 2000 debate Bush repeated his campaign promise: he would continue to appoint pro-aborts
* Bush never attempted to ban embryonic stem cell research but actually funded the grisly research
* did not lead the fight to protect unborn children, and in fact, rejects their God-given right to life
* supports the position that started the abortion holocaust: that a child could be killed if her father is a rapist
* signed misguided child-killing regulations that end with, "and then you can kill the baby"
* Bush's nominee Harriet Miers established SMU's feminist (pro-abortion) Women's Studies endowment
* Bush was thwarted from even naming outwardly pro-abortion Alberto Gonzales to the Supreme Court
* Bush kept his presidential campaign promise of 'no litmus test' by nominating many pro-choice judges
* Bush appointed pro-choice Samuel Alito who issued five radically pro-abortion rulings (upheld PBA, etc.)
* Bush appointee John Roberts worked to further the homosexual agenda and views Roe as settled law
* The Bush family women including Barbara and Laura are pro-choice and one wonders if he is ever a leader in his family, warning his loved ones of the unthinkable consequences of their support for child killing
* Bush stacked the 2004 Republican convention with only pro-abortion prime time speakers
* Promised no pro-life litmus test on personnel and surrounded himself with pro-choice Republicans
* Bush opposed some funding of abortion, abroad, etc., but has given billions of dollars to Planned Parenthood, hundreds of millions more than Bill Clinton ever did; Bush signed HHS budgets giving billions to PP, with Title X bills, authorizing tax-funded abortions explicitly for surgical abortions to kill unborn children including those whose fathers are criminals; and Bush gave Medicaid money for Plan B, the chemical abortifacient.
* Bush was an accomplice to the 15-year partial-birth abortion fiasco; though it raised a quarter of a billion dollars for the pro-life industry, the Republican ban permits other ways to commit late-term and even partial-birth abortions and provided cover for pro-abortion politicians who knew, as Dr. James Dobson wrote, that the PBA ban "does not save a single human life."
* Bush signed the Born-alive Infants Protection Act which, because it was not based on wise strategy, does not affirm the God-given right to life and has the actual effect of saving not a single child because the abortionist now kills the child sooner, and as a result, often more violently
* Governor Bush's judicial nominees gave Texas it's most pro-abortion ruling ever that parents have no say if a minor wants an abortion
* In addition to supporting the killiing of 111,801 children through funds he authorized, and aside from the killing of hundreds of thousands of other kids through the pro-abortion judges and leaders he knowingly promoted, far from being a pro-life hero, former president Bush is typical of the modern Republican hypocrisy on child killing and guilty of the mass murder of millions of innocent children.

[KNOWLEDGE]

41 came in on the heels of Reagan's presidency in which the country was doing well and conservative ideas had destroyed the USSR and was on the verge of burying the Democratic party.    41 came in with his "kinder, gentler" mantra and began giving in even though he was dealing from a position of strength.    His decision to go along with raising taxes (read my lips) led to Clinton's win.

Both Bush presidents were weak and neither could make a tough stand on domestic issues.   

[NCVol]

If you are coming off a tripling of the national debt, like we were with Reagan, then tax increases are sort of what you have to do, unless you want to gut spending, which hasn't happened under ANY President in my lifetime, going back to the 60s.  

The funny thing too is Reagan raised taxes in 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, and 1987.  Spending increases were so great given the massive cuts in 1981 that even after almost $300 billion in tax increases in today's dollars, we still entered the Bush I years DEEP in deficit and debt.  

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_bartlett/bartlett200310290853.asp

FWIW, Mondo, one thing I think we do agree on is if you are voting on abortion, there is no significant reason to prefer republicans over democrats, except for rhetoric, which favors the family values republicans, backed up by no action.  

[KNOWLEDGE]

NCV, you are a great example of "figures may not lie, but liars always figure."

The Reagan years were years of great prosperity, patriotism, and individual freedom.    Bush 41 put us on the path we are currently racing down.     Even history remembers Reagan as a great President who restored prosperity and hope to a nation practically devoid of either due to Jimmy Carter.

[NCVol]

Reagan did some good things, but the facts are the facts.  The "revolution" or not, the Fed did the heavy lifting for recovery by smashing inflation by raising interest rates to double digits and pushing the economy into DEEP recession.  The recovery from those low levels - stocks were trading at generational lows - was inevitable in many ways, although the Reagan policies were net positive. 

He also did triple the debt, and he did raise taxes several times after his initial deep cuts in 1981.  The most significant tax increase was on the first dollar of each of our wages in the form of huge increases to SS and medicare.  Those taxes meant to "save" the trust funds just went to somewhat reduce the still gigantic federal deficits every year of the Reagan administration.  NOBODY talks about those regressive tax increases, but they do remember the REDUCTIONS in the marginal rates for the top 1%, which is what matters, not tax rates on the worker bees.  And it's not that hard for the country to APPEAR prosperous by running up massive deficits each year and goosing GDP by 1-2% through deficit spending. 

We also had the first version of a financial collapse when the S&Ls were deregulated, the owners took off on a gambling and spending orgy, leading to the collapse of hundreds of institutions and several hundred $billion taxpayer bailout.  Even then deregulation meant "license to steal" for the financial institution insiders.  You'd have thought we'd have learned. I guess the banks did learn - taxpayer subsidized losses means heads they win big, tails WE lose.   

Point is, Reagan's legacy is good, but hardly hero like, especially given the fact that Cheney was right, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.  The end of principled conservatism started there, IMO, with rationalizations for the Reagan deficits and the embrace by the right of the Laffer Curve, the lie they used to sell tax cuts in the face of massive deficits. 

[KNOWLEDGE]

Reagan proved his genius by getting the most crucial matters accomplished first!!   He led the economic recovery, renewed America's confidence in the economy and in foreign matters, and destroyed America's biggest rival.     He is the greatest President of the last century.

Reagan knew what he wanted to accomplish, he communicated his ideas to his cabinet, and then let them do their job.    He didn't micro manage and he oversaw a great 8 years for the USA.    There were some short term drawbacks to getting his ideas accomplished but they were worth it.    If Bush had stayed the course, those drawbacks would have been overcome as well.

History agrees with me on this one.    Sorry to go against your biased liberal agenda.

[plumbervol]

The Reagan Tax cuts were more PR than fact. He moved the tax brackets and % up and then turned around and removed the tax deduction for state sales tax, interests on loans and credit cards, moved the threshold for medical expenses UP and removed some exemptions medical expenses.

[NCVol]

History agrees with me on this one.    Sorry to go against your biased liberal agenda.

See OMG post about Kinder and revising history.  It's already happening, apparently, even before Big Brother can zap an edited version of books to our digital libraries.

Seriously, Reagan was a fine President, but the long term impacts of what he set in motion are not proving to be rousing successes.  He like Greenspan appeared to actually believe in the Ayn Rand cult philosophy that deregulating businesses is some economic silver bullet, that unfettered (no rules) capitalism is an unquestionable public good.  Greenspan was "shocked" to learn that his assumptions were false, Reagan would be equally shocked, although the S&L collapse should have been a clue to both Reagan and Greenspan. 

And it really was Reagan's presidency that put us on our current fiscal path.  There is no amount of revisionist history that will conclude his fiscal path was sustainable.  The U.S. averaged over $200 billions per year in added debt, and it was celebrated, and debt financed prosperity became the new normal, not wealth financed prosperity.  Republicans shifted from "balanced budgets" to "tax cuts" as their fiscal philosophy - really Reagan did prove deficits politically did not matter, and they didn't, until Obama - $11 Trillion in current debt is just simply a FACT and republicans gave not one shiate about it until sometime late in 2008, not really.   

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Reagan proved his genius by getting the most crucial matters accomplished first!!   He led the economic recovery, renewed America's confidence in the economy and in foreign matters, and destroyed America's biggest rival.     He is the greatest President of the last century.

Reagan knew what he wanted to accomplish, he communicated his ideas to his cabinet, and then let them do their job.    He didn't micro manage and he oversaw a great 8 years for the USA.    There were some short term drawbacks to getting his ideas accomplished but they were worth it.    If Bush had stayed the course, those drawbacks would have been overcome as well.

History agrees with me on this one.    Sorry to go against your biased liberal agenda.

 

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.