Do you Liberals really believe that Hasan just "snapped"

[NCVol]

NCVol is a little more intelligent but he continually throws out outrageous statements and when pushed on this, he either denies it or uses some lame excuse to try and explain what he meant.   The two examples you discussed above are typical of this.

I do explain what I mean, repeatedly, but you hear what you want to hear.  We had a dozen arguments about civil liberties and you never could accept that a person could be against claiming the right to indefinitely put YOU in jail and torture you and tap your phones AND support catching terrorists.  

I've honestly concluded that the big difference, as I said, between many "conservatives" and the rational world is conservatives do not recognize gray.  Not in religion not in policy.  Any republican that compromises is a traitor to his values, there is one answer - all out opposition to anything different, never give in, right is right, wrong is EVIL.  For example, if you're for extending medicare to all of us, you hate this country and what it stands for!  You are communist, fascist, Hitler II AND socialist who wants to kill grandma and disabled kids!  You are literally a greater danger than any living terrorist!  (That was said on the floor of the House - health care is more dangerous than TERRORISTS!)

It's no different with the issues we've been discussing the last couple days.  If I say "My opinion is the shooter is nuts" then I am a terrorist lover even though there are a host of similarities between this shooting and many other 'going postal' events - events common enough to have a nickname we ALL understand immediately  See, going postal has NO scientific basis as a consideration because this shooter is Muslim. He's a terrorist!  More than that, he's a "Good Muslim."  Obviously, no investigation necessary!  

[KNOWLEDGE]

NCV, answer this in one sentence or less (one word would suffice) and I will leave you alone. 

Do you blame the US Soldiers for Hasan's actions?



Past history tells us you will be unable to answer that question in less than 500 words.

[roustabout]

NC,

Is Islam a detriment to world peace and US security?

Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Al Queda, etc. etc.

[Dementia_Madness]

Actually NC the real problem is not that, we time and again admit that there are issues that are dependant upon circumstances, sometimes, but there are also issues that are absolute. The real problem is YOU libs cannot distinguish between the two. What is gray? a mixture of black and white, so in order for "gray" to exist the must be both black and white to begin with.

Look at your statement, you my friend are just like LTC, in the end the problem is you equate everything posted here by both liberals and conservatives as intended to be interpreted as FACT, like you said if you state your OPINION "this guy is nuts and NOT a terrorist" then someone else has the right to state their opinion that you appear to be excusing the terrorist aspect because he is a Muslim...YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS enforce this belief, "I just find it strange that dozens of "going postal" events happen in this country and they're obviously deranged people who snapped, but when it's a Muslim, well, there's no need for investigation, he's a terrorist, we know" You are the one making the absolute statement, all we said is that there are strong indications his actions were most likely jihad and extremist based....based on the evidence we see and post here. You are the one saying we ignore the others...when it is of no consequence to THIS topic... EVERY ACT OF VIOLENCE is not terrorist, but that does not mean NONE OF THEM ARE.

YOU are the ones who continual cloud the issues and "create the gray" when sometimes there is no gray at all, YOU are the ones who fear the opinions of others, believing that YOU must not only QUESTION everything people who do not agree with you believe, but show that they are either totally wrong, or lying about what their opinion is, and when even a hint is revealed that you just might be wrong, you whiplash back and start flip flopping like john Kerry stuck between the Vietcong and Vietnam vets. You are the ones who have treated the only absolute you can believe in, absolute gray, because that is the only shade there is that will allow you to excuse yourself from making any true commitments to anything you might say you believe.

The FACTS ARE THIS, there are STRONG indications that Hasan's actions WERE NOT simply the act of some nut job, who snapped because he was being mistreated.... Is it possible he was, and did? Sure, but to date the majority of the evidence points to something else, so there is nothing WRONG with exploring that possibility and admitting such connections exist. And if he was a sleeper, if this was jihad and terror, we need to be willing to look at it honestly and explore ALL the implications and ramifications of this fact.

[NCVol]

NCV, answer this in one sentence or less (one word would suffice) and I will leave you alone. 

Do you blame the US Soldiers for Hasan's actions?

My gosh, you need reading comprehensions classes.  I've answered your ridiculous question many times.

But to make it clear.

NO

[Dementia_Madness]

NC,

Is Islam a detriment to world peace and US security?

Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Al Queda, etc. etc.

I got a better one for NCVOL and LTC

Are Conservatives a detriment to world peace and US security?

Is Christianity?

are both a bigger threat that extreme Islam and the terrorists?

explain why or why not you believe or do not believe any of these.

[NCVol]

NC,

Is Islam a detriment to world peace and US security?

Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Al Queda, etc. etc.

There are Muslims who are our enemies.  I do not believe Islam is the source of the problem, but is being used by evil men to justify evil acts.  

Do you not recognize that there are hundreds of $billions of reasons other than religion for those ME conflicts.  War is often nominally about religion, but how often is religion the excuse and not the cause?  

Here is a question.  If China set up shop in California with a massive military base under their control, a prison where they put Americans without trial or charge, tortured them, assigned our oil and other natural resources to Chinese companies, leaving millions of Californians in abject poverty while a few California leaders and the Chinese business owners lived in opulent luxury, what do you think the odds are of Christian "terrorists" emerging.  Do you think that Christians would be involved in wars all across this country to fight the Chinese as they move their influence westward.

It's unbelievable that no one can do the simple task of asking a simple question - is there a motivation for the wars and violence other than religion?  If there is, or it's possible there is, can we say religion is the cause or is used as an excuse?  Is the issue black and white or can you conceive of non-religious reasons why Muslims might object to the U.S. dominating presence in the ME.  Let's use China again.  What do you think we'd conclude if China armed Venezuela with nuclear arms and the most advanced Chinese armaments - but only for protection of course.  

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Very well put.    LTC is an obvious half with who is always standing on the sidelines trying to get noticed by being different to the point of extreme wierdness.    Another poster used a great analogy describing as  LTC being a crying infant in his car seat constantly whining, "are we there, yet?"

NCVol is a little more intelligent but he continually throws out outrageous statements and when pushed on this, he either denies it or uses some lame excuse to try and explain what he meant.   The two examples you discussed above are typical of this.

Knowledge,

Before you have the temerity to call anyone a "half with" you might want to get your epithets straight. It's "half-wit" as in he only has half of his wits.  

People who live in glass houses....

[Dementia_Madness]

Great job FL you pointed out a typing error, that must mean the whole argument is flawed.... I mean if one cannot type then we must conclude they have nothing to say on any topic.

I tell you your debating skills are indeed on a par with LTCs.

(BTW I can quote a post you made with spelling/typing errors if you wish.)

[Flummoxed Lummox]

I got a better one for NCVOL and LTC

Are Conservatives a detriment to world peace and US security?

Is Christianity?

are both a bigger threat that extreme Islam and the terrorists?

explain why or why not you believe or do not believe any of these.

Christianity, like all religions (including Islam), CAN be a detriment to world peace and security ... if the wrong people have too much power. All one has to do is study history to see what happens when Christians, Muslims, etc. have had unbridled power in the past. There have been more wars started by Christians in the name of their religion than for any other reason in Western history. That is why our founders were smart enough NOT to set up a theocracy or a government based on Christianity (a Christian "sharia law" if you will).

[Shimmy]

Seriously, can't we wait for some information to come out, and then we can all come to some INFORMED conclusions.  I have my guess, but I will freely admit, I could be wrong. 

Is coming to a conclusion before all the facts are out the same as signing a major socialist bill before reading it?

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Great job FL you pointed out a typing error, that must mean the whole argument is flawed.... I mean if one cannot type then we must conclude they have nothing to say on any topic.

I tell you your debating skills are indeed on a par with LTCs.

You're as much a  as Knowledge if you think that was a typing error. There is no "h" before or after the letter "t" in half-wit.