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James Dobson's Patented Cure for the Gay

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LTC:
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James Dobson's advice on how to ensure your son doesn't catch The Gay:

Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

Too... many... jokes... choice... paralysis... kicking... in...

ADDENDUM: Via the folks at The Corner, I see this line is actually a passage Dobson approvingly quotes from a fellow traveler's unpublished manuscript, not the Dob's own original wisdom.

http://reason.com/blog/2005/08/11/james-dobsons-patented-cure-fo

I wonder.....................is that what kept grey from being gay?    /Philly/ /Philly/ /Philly/ /Philly/ /Philly/ /Philly/ /Philly/ /Philly/

Flummoxed Lummox:
James Dobson is one of the most vile excuses for a human being on this planet.

Yeah, I'm sure having Dad shower with son will put an end to all homosexuality.  //BIB/ What's frightening is that many will believe this charlatan.

GRAY:
It's pretty irrefutable that most gays have an absence of a close bonding relationship with the same-sex parent. Boys might begin playing with dolls, walking and talking effeminately, etc.  Girls might cut their hair short, dress like a boy, etc.  These are simply signs that the child feels like he or she doesn't fit the norm.  Not all boys feel the macho and not all girls feel the girly girl. This is absolutely normal. 

What isn't normal, is, in the either emotional or physical absence of influence from the same sex parent, these feelings, encouraged by our pro-gay pop culture (a typical reaction when a character comes out on television is "that's GREAT!"), becoming twisted and combining with other societal abnormalities that creep into one's psyche as a result of not fitting in, finally transforming into a woman wanting to "lick beaver" or a man desiring to play "fudge hide and seek". A person in this predicament has literally convinced himself or herself that she is the opposite sex inside the wrong body. 

See the male sportswriter who came out as a she.   Eventually "it" committed suicide. 

In NYC you see women with big muscles and mens' clothes holding hands, or men with tight shirts and girl jeans prancing around arm in arm.  This is NOT genetic. This is childhood experience that was not caught early and fixed.     

NCVol:
Quote from: GRAY on September 03, 2010, 03:34:01 PM

It's pretty irrefutable that most gays have an absence of a close bonding relationship with the same-sex parent. Boys might begin playing with dolls, walking and talking effeminately, etc.  Girls might cut their hair short, dress like a boy, etc.  These are simply signs that the child feels like he or she doesn't fit the norm.  Not all boys feel the macho and not all girls feel the girly girl. This is absolutely normal. 

Irrefutable implies you have documented evidence, instead of ignorantly held opinions.  I'd like to see your evidence that "most" didn't have a close relationship with mom or dad?  And what is "most" - 50.1%, 60%, 99% and if it's just more than half, what happened to the others who did have very close relationships with their same sex parent and are gay.  Furthermore, I know lots of straight people who despised one or both of their parents, were abused by them, they were drunks, distant, were never home because of work travel, abandoned them as childs, etc.  Do these have a tendency to become gay, too.  In other words, out of kids who don't have a close relationship with, say, dad, why do some turn out gay, others straight.  What is the cause?  Did one dad somehow instill both contempt or hate from their child but somehow the correct sexual orientation and the other not, and if that's the case, what did one dad do differently.  Do kids from single mothers turn out to become gay more often than kids in a two parent family?  If not, why not? 

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What isn't normal, is, in the either emotional or physical absence of influence from the same sex parent, these feelings, encouraged by our pro-gay pop culture (a typical reaction when a character comes out on television is "that's GREAT!"), becoming twisted and combining with other societal abnormalities that creep into one's psyche as a result of not fitting in, finally transforming into a woman wanting to "lick beaver" or a man desiring to play "fudge hide and seek". A person in this predicament has literally convinced himself or herself that she is the opposite sex inside the wrong body. 


This isn't a pro-gay culture.  Certainly, there wasn't a "pro-gay" culture in the 40s and 50s and 60s, there isn't a pro-gay culture in the ME, where homosexuals might be executed, so that's simply not a reason for a person to become gay.  And even in this culture, where there is more acceptance, the overwhelming societal influence is to be straight.  Homosexual kids are mocked and bullied and beat up, often mercilessly.  Their families and friends abandon them, their church won't accept them, they face discrimination literally in every facet of their lives.  So it's quite ridiculous to assume that a favorable treatment of gays on Will and Grace overwhelms what those kids see and face every day from REAL people, those closest to them. 

And gay people do not as a rule think they're a girl in a man's body or vice versa.  Those are different, transexuals maybe, but it's not a charactistic of gays, and to imply it is shows your extreme ignorance on this subject.

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See the male sportswriter who came out as a she.   Eventually "it" committed suicide. 

As I said, the vast majority of gays don't want to change their sex.  They are attracted to the same sex.  There is a huge difference.  And committing suicide could be for many different reasons.  Among them, the contempt that folks like you I'm sure showed the person on a nearly daily basis. 

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In NYC you see women with big muscles and mens' clothes holding hands, or men with tight shirts and girl jeans prancing around arm in arm.  This is NOT genetic. This is childhood experience that was not caught early and fixed.

I guess you see a little bit of everything up there.  Girls and guys with tatoos all over their bodies, pierced in 100 places, with purple hair, no hair, spiked hair, etc.  I'm sure you also see, but don't always notice, homosexuals dressed in suits, or slacks and a golf shirt, going to work, going to dinner, and behaving pretty much exactly like you do.  Pointing out the behavior of some people in a city like NYC isn't proof of anything other than some gay men dress differently and some gay women act more masculine.  What's the point of your stereotype?

And "Fixed" how?  More gladiator movies?  Playing football?  Looking at Playboy magazine?  Going fishing with the old man.  Seeing mom and dad have sex? 

I'm not sure why I treated this seriously, but the point is you cannot and won't defend any of your opinions with any facts at all.  They don't exist.  It's made up crap by intolerant bigots to somehow blame the kid, his parents, both, for the fact of someone being gay.  Believe it or not, we don't actually know why some people in every culture, in every walk of life, from any area, from the beginning of recorded history to today simple are or become gay.  You can't and therefore won't cite any study that can show how this occurs in permissive and incredibly intolerant societies, from ancient times through today. 

GRAY:
Its the sissy boy or butch girl, combined with the lack of parent recognition or acknowledgement that leads to this illness.  Therefore, a kid who isn't like the above would not "turn gay" due to parental neglect or abuse.

It is not simply will and grace, it is virtually every TV show on the air.

If one is merely attracted to the same sex, why not keep it "in house"?  You like penis, you have penis! God is good! Maybe they teach that in these "gay" churches.

God gave people to their depraved desires in the Old Testament. He will allow it to happen if a person insists on such immoral behavior. The illness is not a choice.  The behavior is. 

When one is ill, one will risk incredible harm to satisfy an addiction.  See alcoholics, drug addicts, addicts of gay sex or even just the gay lifestyle. Be it the Middle East or anywhere else. 

Society warps the person to the point that he or she feels accepted, even as he or she continues to question every act and deed, seemingly knowing that the gay life isn't square with our wiring. Gays are among the most insecure disillusioned people on the planet.  But instead of trying to cure the real issues, we instead redefine normal, doing a real disservice to the men and women suffering from this illness. 

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