"The Revolt of the Bourgeois"

[One Man Gang]

Rich Lowry NAILS it, but can't get over his moderate GOP roots.

Baby steps.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/245556/revolt-bourgeois-rich-lowry?page=1

Just as stunning as the tableaux of the massive throngs lining the reflecting pool were the images of the spotless grounds afterward. If someone had told attendees they were expected to mow the grass before they left, surely some of them would have hitched flatbed trailers to their vehicles for the trip to Washington and gladly brought mowers along with them.

This was (IS, Mr. Lowry, IS - OMG) the revolt of the bourgeois, of the responsible, of the orderly, of people profoundly at peace with the traditional mores of American society. The spark that lit the tea-party movement was the rant by CNBC commentator Rick Santelli, who inveighed in early 2009 against an Obama-administration program to subsidize “the losers’ mortgages.” He was speaking for people who hadn’t borrowed beyond their means or tried to get rich quick by flipping houses, for the people who, in their thrift and enterprise, “carry the water instead of drink the water.”

Indeed. (h/t Insty)

[plumbervol]

There you go again, OMG and the Republicans always have to make it out as an American values vs the World BS.  I got news for you  non Republicans go to work, attend church hold the status of Veteran etc. Who molests little boys, Priests,(republican right to life) who you catch in the men's room playing with other men's Johnson's republicans, who creates a term such as Log Cabin Republicans, republicans. In fact The Hernandez dude linked to the Mexican Mafia that was charged and convicted of major Cocaine trafficing was a contributing Republican as was John Gotti. You remember the scene in the Sopranos where they mentioned doing business with Cheney  down in Louisisiana? Their is a reason for that because they are all Republicans and that stereotype was so real nobody was upset by that. Gone are the days of Organized Crime working with the Kennedys. Now is the era when the Teamsters endorse Republican. This stereotype of the Tea Party is only accurate when examining the hard core Tea Party Member that travels around from place to place, but here it is and it is damn accurate according to the demographics. Unemployed, underemployed, retired or disabled. Baby Boomer(wonder if they are old hippies?) More likely to be involved with the Right to Life or the more radical dangerous anti Abortion groups(Army of God) They are most likely to be from the South or the western states such as Idaho, Arizona, Montana(Miltia) They for the most part draw government benefits such as disability, SS, or Medicaid medicare. I read this at a 24/7 Wall Street . com site(far from the Liberal press) I am not saying they are not going to win this fall. I am just saying these are the folks you are in league with and they have fleas....


I am saying representing these clowns as some kind of American values folks is a load of   They have their own selfish self interests. Priests in Ireland sided with the Brits against their own people for school property. Remember Father Mankels sermon about giving more to the church with your George Bush tax cut and rebate? Gays have no children and have no deductions and don't want to pay taxes, organized crooks hate the IRS because that is how they get caught. Folks on pensions and disability don't want anybody else getting benefits because they don't get raises and they cut Medicaid/Medicare benefits when the pool is expanded....

[The One Man Gang]

Yannow, PV, if you were HALF the "revolutionary/radical" you claim to be, you'd have been on stage with Beck and Sarah leading the cheers.  After all these years of decrying the establishment and so forth, are you really reduced to carrying water for a corrupt and cankerous governing class? 

My ancestral roots in various resistance movements here and in the Olde Sod drive me to take up the cudgels one last time and sally forth to batter "the Man" into submission.

"The Man" is now the Democrat-led power elite and their RINO lapdogs who have sat on this country like a friggin' vulture for over seventy years.

You in?

[Dementia_Madness]

OMG I have had an epiphany regarding the libs and their hatred for the Tea Party. Why do they hate them so, why do they seek to create an illusionary monster in their own minds to give them reasons to disregard and belittle them? It all boils down to this, when there is a shift, when the majority of republicans become entrenched in the REAL message of the Tea Party...responsibility, honesty, integrity, truth, justice...morality and such, the libs will no longer be able to excuse their support for the overtly wicked and evil corrupt democrats by arguing the republicans are corrupt and evil too. They will no longer be able to ignore their support, nay LOVE and adoration, for the vile elite socialists...by arguing that republicans are bad too, and then try and find all the anecdotal evidence to support their claims. IF and when there is that shift, when the top pops off and the pot boils over, then the Libs will be left naked and bare....they will no longer be able to point at republicans and say..."See we bad....but they do it too." Rather than embracing the need for change, the real desire for a return to what is the best in us, they strive to cling to the corruption, and lies, and same ole same ole that has been killing us for the last 40 or 50 years...they strive to maintain the false image that they want something better, yet cling to the filth and the slime, covering themselves in it, because they can see spots on our clothing.
Why do they hate and fear this change? Because they will be left naked and exposed, with no-one to point to for blame, but themselves.

[Just Win]

Yannow, PV, if you were HALF the "revolutionary/radical" you claim to be, you'd have been on stage with Beck and Sarah leading the cheers.  After all these years of decrying the establishment and so forth, are you really reduced to carrying water for a corrupt and cankerous governing class? 

My ancestral roots in various resistance movements here and in the Olde Sod drive me to take up the cudgels one last time and sally forth to batter "the Man" into submission.

"The Man" is now the Democrat-led power elite and their RINO lapdogs who have sat on this country like a friggin' vulture for over seventy years.

You in?

PV,

He makes a rather strong point.  Not because I say so. You can take my opinon and 50cents and you still would not have enough to buy a pack of gum. It is a strong point because it is the truth.

[plumbervol]

Palin is a MILF, what else does she have going for her? Her husband was the leader of the Labor Council in their area of Alaska. At least he knows how to work for a living


You can believe anything you want to but I find it rather insulting that the only thing the Republican Party wants to discuss is how American and God fearing they are. Telling me you are a Christian when you partys values is so UN CHRISTIAN really takes the cake. Jesus really did give the Sermon on the Mount, and that message is as Un Republican as ity gets. Wrapping yourself in the American Flag when the President you elected avoided the draft and serving in Vietnam takes the cake. Calling out family vlaues and respect for life while molesting altar boys and covering up the crime and aligning yourself with them is the mantra of the modern Republican Party

[The One Man Gang]

Seriously, Old Friend?

An ad hominem screed about Palin is the best you can muster? Trotting out the tired shibboleth of the "Christain Right" ain't selling either.  When Speaker Pelosi had the temerity to hector Benedict XVI about the Catholic faith she professes to "love" the Left lost the hypocrisy fight forever.

BTW, having actually WORKED for a living at any point in her life puts Sarah P. light-years ahead of Pelosi, Reid and Obama. Pelosi's $gazillionaire husband go that way when she funnelled $billions in federal contracts his way. Reid became a $millionaire through crooked land deals and Obama made $5mill last year off a book that somebody else wrote for him. 

This ain't about the GOP.  The GOP will conform or we'll vote their worthless a**es out too.  In fact, that process has already begun.

[plumbervol]

OMG then sell me on why giving corporations and the wealthy tax cuts is going to help America? Tell me how dropping some of the just enacted regulations on the banking industry is really going to jumpstart America? That is what the right wing is preaching. They say if we weaken the rules and allow the banking industry to ease up lending the rebound and recovery could be put on those 30% Interest rate Visa's That is somehow a better idea than junpstarting America by rebuilding the 70 year old infrastructure? The damn Insurance Industry will be the next to take a tumble as infrastructure fails and they bankrupt paying off the liability

OMG you can't sell that   /Kiffin/ but Obama and the current incumbents are so inapt the Republicans are goping to get back power and do the same damn things that caused this recession in the first place. All the tax cuts for the wealthy and the corporatesis is running overseas chasing investments and is not being used here in the US. The rich and the wealthy haven't created a job in America in over 20 years.

If the they talk issues Republicans lose, so they shovel the Un American Baby Jesus crap wich is an insult to the American people that think that  they are shoveling is a damn joke.

[The One Man Gang]

Erm, just who have the DEMOCRATS bailed out?

In order:

Big Government

Big Business/Big Banks/Big Wall Street

Big Labor

Notice anyone missing?

The Democrats/Political Class don't give a sh*t about the "working man," "people of color," the poor or the middle class and you have to know it.  If you don't, to quote Mr. Cooper, you are a dumber than dirt sheep.

Either way, your carrying water for this bunch is just sad.

[Jeremy Roenick]

If the Dems have the stones to bailout the underwater mortgage holders as the "October surprise" then that will be the only bailout the average joe will get.

IMHO, to know I'm bailing out my irresponsible neighbor and his bad financial decisions does nothing to endear me to either the Democratic party or my neighbor.

[NCVol]

Erm, just who have the DEMOCRATS bailed out?

In order:

Big Government

Big Business/Big Banks/Big Wall Street

Big Labor

Notice anyone missing?

The Democrats/Political Class don't give a sh*t about the "working man," "people of color," the poor or the middle class and you have to know it.  If you don't, to quote Mr. Cooper, you are a dumber than dirt sheep.

Either way, your carrying water for this bunch is just sad.

Gosh, what a load of crap.  First of all, it was Bush and Paulson who bailed out the banks, along with Bernanke. Greenspan spent a career bailing out Wall Street - it was called the Greenspan put, and it was the absolute certainty that if anything threatened stock prices, Greenspan would do whatever it took to get the stock portfolios back to positive, and we had two bubbles as a result, in less than a decade.  For decades we've been "bailing out" big business with trade deals that work for ONE group, the CEO class who is busy offshoring all our production to wages slaves all over the developing world.  They've gotten estate tax cuts, a nice 15% tax on their stock sales (less than the payroll tax on the first fu**ing dollar of wages), on their dividend checks.  I can't think of anything that Big Business hasn't gotten crossed off their wish list since Reagan.  What is left?  They got regulations slashed, they got their toadies inserted into the bureaucracy where they did what they were paid to do which was NOT A DAMN THING, their taxes cut, several times.  Wealth has flowed on one direction, from the middle class and poor to the rich who enjoy earnings and wealth disparities not seen since the Great Depression.

So to talk about Big Labor being bailed out is just divorced from all reality.  Unions are at decades long lows, there was no EFCA passed, millions of productions jobs are gone, we had a decade, AN ENTIRE FRICKING DECADE, with no wage gains, for the last THIRTY YEARS, median income went up 10%.  Wages for the top fraction - more than tripled.  We went almost an entire decade with almost no jobs gains.  But by gosh the stock market did fine, the banks got a record share of wealth and income, and the top 1/10th of 1% did fabulous.  Working folks increased their productivity, their hours, and those gains went to owners and executives.  And you say the unions got bailed out.  How and where, exactly? 

My gosh, if there's a reason why I despise the Tea Party movement it's because they don't talk about this.  What is their answer to the gutting of American jobs and industry?  It's not even on the radar for these lemmings.  They're encouraged and funded by the likes of whores like Dick Armey and the people that pay those whores like Koch Brothers, who are using those poor folks they care not one damn about to advance the interests of a tiny few.  And Rush and Sean and Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are all getting fabulously wealthy pandering to those folks, often with advertising dollars from the nations largest corporations, and I'm supposed to believe this is a revolution, where the people "revolting" and the top revolutionaries get wealthy.

And what about the stimulus itself.  Who do you think was employed because of the money spent.  I know when facts and evidence don't matter, the stimulus did nothing.  In the reality based world where facts do matter, it boosted GDP by 2-4% and employment by millions.  What was the GOP plan except to cut spending, further, create a bigger collapse in demand, create more unemployed, bankrupt the states, who'd also cut spending and payrolls.  In short the GOP plan was to accelerate the depression, f**K the consequences.

And you left out health care.  I know you guys don't give a shiate about those who don't have healthcare, but at least the democrats made an effort, stymied at every turn by "I got mine, F you" republicans and corporate democrats who really don't care that 40-50 million have to beg for care at the ER if they get sick.  They're answer - HELL NO!  To any question about helping out the middle class, that's their answer. 

BTW, if you want to include a whole slew of democrats in with the GOP, I'm with you, beginning with Clinton and including Obama.  But there is a difference and that is the GOP doesn't even pretend to give a shiate about working class americans anymore.  Name me the last bill that was passed through the GOP that had as a primary beneficiary any group other than the top 1%?  We might have to go back to Nixon, or even Eisenhower... 

[NCVol]

If the Dems have the stones to bailout the underwater mortgage holders as the "October surprise" then that will be the only bailout the average joe will get.

IMHO, to know I'm bailing out my irresponsible neighbor and his bad financial decisions does nothing to endear me to either the Democratic party or my neighbor.

Just one comment on that - we've had an economy where the lenders begged your neighbor to be irresponsible, to take on credit card debt, student debt, housing loans, home equity loans, and that "irresponsibility" is what fueled virtually all the economic gains in recent decades.  During the best years of "Bush Boom" housing equity withdrawals added 200 billion per QUARTER to economic activity - MUCH less than the Obama stimulus added per quarter the last year and a half.  During the 2000s, consumer debt doubled, to $14 Trillion.  Our savings rate went to zero.  So yeah, your neighbor might have been irresponsible, but it's because the lenders and our economic system BEGGED him and PLEADED WITH HIM, with ads, with lending policies, etc. to be irresponsible, because without him going into hock we would have had literally no economic growth for the better part of a decade, as jobs stagnated and wages either stagnated or declined for the average worker.  The real problem is with a economic system that ignored a flatlining of wages and pretended that we could sustain economic growth with ever higher levels of debt accumulation.  The corporate world got the low wages they wanted, and the consequence of people not getting raises is they can't increase consumption and spending, at least in the long term.  I'd love for the Tea baggers and the revolutionaries to address this fact, then I might believe the movement is something other than a effort to rebrand the GOP into something non-toxic and to get GOP corporate kissers back into power.