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 on: October 23, 2017, 08:17:50 PM 
Started by Plumbervol - Last post by Thunder Good-Oil
UT could offer Butch the HC job at UT-Martin or UT-C for $2.5 million/year and if he declines his buyout payments would end. They'll reach an agreement for a lump sum that's less than $7.5 million buyout (plus his current pay thru Feb 2018).

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 on: October 23, 2017, 08:12:02 PM 
Started by Plumbervol - Last post by Thunder Good-Oil
But if Butch is not employable we still pay him his buyout.

He's employable at some level and his contract buyout requires him to seek employment.

It also says that if he's unable to coach at UT (due to a disability) then UT is not required to pay him. If he was physically or mentally unable to take another job then that ends his monthly buyout payments.

Bottom line is that according to the contract, he can't pull a Fulmer and continue to receive his monthly buyout compensation while sitting on his ass. It's also ANY type of work... not just a head football coach. There is tremendous incentive for Butch to take a lesser lump sum buyout and then to move on. As long as he's taking monthly buyout payments he must be working or actively seeking work AND he must disclose all of his future compensation with UT for 6 months beyond his final monthly payment. He'll want to negotiate a lump sum that's significantly lower than the $7.5 million to be paid through February 2021.

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 on: October 23, 2017, 05:44:44 PM 
Started by Plumbervol - Last post by Plumbervol
But if Butch is not employable we still pay him his buyout.

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 on: October 23, 2017, 05:04:12 PM 
Started by Plumbervol - Last post by Thunder Good-Oil
Butch's buyout as it's written would cost UT a fraction of the potential $2.5mm/year from 3/1/2018 through 2/28/2021. It's paid out monthly and requires that he seeks employment. The monthly payout is reduced by any income that Butch receives for his services. So if he takes a job paying $2.5mm/annually UT pays him zero. There's also a clause that prevents him from taking a low-ball amount from a new employer... he can't go back to Cincinnati as their HC and have them pay him $50k/year and collect $2,450,000 from UT.

Assuming he's leaving UT, his agent is negotiating a reduced payoff that would not be reduced by another pay check.

Butch can't sit on his ass and collect $6mm like Fulmer did. He must seek employment. The UT lawyers finally got it right after being financially raped by Fulmer, the Kiffin's, and Dooley.

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 on: October 23, 2017, 04:21:25 AM 
Started by Plumbervol - Last post by harley
Buddy of mine wants Hoke to coach us out the rest of the year and then get the job, not sure I would want that.

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 on: October 23, 2017, 04:17:14 AM 
Started by Plumbervol - Last post by harley
I agree with Plumber. Get rid of that pansy offense and play some hard-nosed football.

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 on: October 23, 2017, 04:12:34 AM 
Started by Plumbervol - Last post by harley
How old is Cutt? His last two games at Duke he was outcoached and lost to teams he should have beaten.I watched
some of both games. I'm not sure he would have the stamina to build UT back to where it needs to be. 

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 on: October 22, 2017, 05:19:20 PM 
Started by Plumbervol - Last post by Plumbervol
I was told by someone who would know that representatives of the UTAD approached David about the UT job. I do not know if the approach was about taking the job or if it included input on possible candidates. You can hear anything but this is a very reliable person who really would know if contact was made. To top it off another source collaborated the story and had contact with DC.

To me if you consider DC why not Fulmer? I do not want neither of them because it is time to move on. Lets face it the people who hate Fulmer would prefer we bring back Kiff before we hired Cutt, Filmer Chief, or Sanders. I would luv a staff with Cutt on top with Tee as his OC and let Stoops stay.

I was also told that Jimbo Fisher is very high on our wish list and he may be open to coming to UT. The trick is to move on before you wear out your welcome. Jimbo is good friends with Haslam, Cutt, Fulmer, and employees Sanders and I could see him as a long term solution at UT. His buyout would be 3 Million but the FSU people may actually be motivated to see him go. You are talking 10 million buyout combined for Jimbo and Butch and paying over 5 million a year. Cutt would cost half of that.

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 on: October 22, 2017, 06:51:31 AM 
Started by Plumbervol - Last post by Plumbervol
Tee Martin's stock fell last night and I doubt he deserves the criticism.

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 on: October 22, 2017, 06:50:35 AM 
Started by Plumbervol - Last post by Plumbervol
Is Michigan better off with him, yes. Is he worth the money now, I don't know. He was a big fish and a flashy hire but he is 25-8 at the cost of 9 million a year. I have no idea how to figure his buyout after reading his contract but I know some parts are guaranteed and his staff makes over 5 million a year. Hoke compiled a 3120 record and Rodriguez compiled a record of 1522. The Wolverines have played 1,292 games during their 136 seasons, winning 925 contests for a winning percentage of .730.

I know some of the Michigan fanbase are not happy with their return on the money being spent.

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